Tue November 28, 2017 9:37 pm
ledvedderman wrote:mikejasond wrote:....using the same 3 chords does not mean its repetitive? Because there are other aspects of music besides just the chords
Of course it means it’s repetirive! The things happening outside of those 3 chords are nothing special on their own. Mike plays a pretty standard solo. Stone plays different variations of the chords Ed is playing on the acoustic. This is Rock Band Song Writing 101. It just works though on this song. The stars aligned for it.
Tue November 28, 2017 9:38 pm
Tue November 28, 2017 9:39 pm
Rangi Guy wrote:Thank you for directing me to this post Ruddo.
Tue November 28, 2017 9:40 pm
ledvedderman wrote:What about Not For You? Sure it starts with drums from the start, but it builds and is 3 chords (not counting the bridge). How does that register?
Tue November 28, 2017 9:42 pm
E.H. Ruddock wrote:dude, the first few lines of the second verse before the band kicks in is exactly the same as the first. So how is that not repetitive? And because EV sings the chorus louder, is that why you think it isn't "repetitive"? Because singing it louder doesn't change the fact that he still says "betterman"
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Tue November 28, 2017 9:44 pm
Tue November 28, 2017 9:45 pm
mikejasond wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:dude, the first few lines of the second verse before the band kicks in is exactly the same as the first. So how is that not repetitive? And because EV sings the chorus louder, is that why you think it isn't "repetitive"? Because singing it louder doesn't change the fact that he still says "betterman"
That's true. The one repetitive part is the very first line of the second verse, so about ten seconds of the song. But for me, the drums kicking in at the end of his sentence marks it as something different.
And its not just EV singing the chorus louder. The background music is completely different. The feel and rhythm is completely different. Its a new twist on the same idea.
Tue November 28, 2017 9:45 pm
mikejasond wrote:Seriously if you listened to the first and second choruses in a vacuum you'd think you were listening to different songs. The tone and feel and rhythm and instrumentation and mood is just completely different.
Tue November 28, 2017 9:46 pm
mikejasond wrote:ledvedderman wrote:mikejasond wrote:....using the same 3 chords does not mean its repetitive? Because there are other aspects of music besides just the chords
Of course it means it’s repetirive! The things happening outside of those 3 chords are nothing special on their own. Mike plays a pretty standard solo. Stone plays different variations of the chords Ed is playing on the acoustic. This is Rock Band Song Writing 101. It just works though on this song. The stars aligned for it.
Ok so can somebody please link me to a rock song like this, that is 3-4 minutes long, and never once repeats the same section exactly ?
Tue November 28, 2017 9:47 pm
Strat wrote:mikejasond wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:dude, the first few lines of the second verse before the band kicks in is exactly the same as the first. So how is that not repetitive? And because EV sings the chorus louder, is that why you think it isn't "repetitive"? Because singing it louder doesn't change the fact that he still says "betterman"
That's true. The one repetitive part is the very first line of the second verse, so about ten seconds of the song. But for me, the drums kicking in at the end of his sentence marks it as something different.
And its not just EV singing the chorus louder. The background music is completely different. The feel and rhythm is completely different. Its a new twist on the same idea.
THE BACKGROUND MUSIC IS NO DIFFERENT HOLY FUCKING SHIT I ALKSDJFAKL;SDJF;ANC;D;SDF
Tue November 28, 2017 9:49 pm
ledvedderman wrote:mikejasond wrote:ledvedderman wrote:mikejasond wrote:....using the same 3 chords does not mean its repetitive? Because there are other aspects of music besides just the chords
Of course it means it’s repetirive! The things happening outside of those 3 chords are nothing special on their own. Mike plays a pretty standard solo. Stone plays different variations of the chords Ed is playing on the acoustic. This is Rock Band Song Writing 101. It just works though on this song. The stars aligned for it.
Ok so can somebody please link me to a rock song like this, that is 3-4 minutes long, and never once repeats the same section exactly ?
That’s not how songs work. Well, maybe a prog rock type of thing but songs have formulas. Verse, chorus, Bridge, hook, intro, outro, solo, etc... Somewhere in those is a song. But there’s a formula. If a song wants to be on pop radio or modern programming, there has to be a repetitive element to it. But you’re saying there’s NOTHING repetitive in Betterman. That’s the root of this argument.
Tue November 28, 2017 9:49 pm
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Tue November 28, 2017 9:50 pm
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Tue November 28, 2017 9:52 pm
Strat wrote:mikejasond wrote:Seriously if you listened to the first and second choruses in a vacuum you'd think you were listening to different songs. The tone and feel and rhythm and instrumentation and mood is just completely different.
No. nobody would. they would all know its the same song. everyone in the world but you, actually.
Tue November 28, 2017 9:52 pm
mikejasond wrote:Strat wrote:mikejasond wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:dude, the first few lines of the second verse before the band kicks in is exactly the same as the first. So how is that not repetitive? And because EV sings the chorus louder, is that why you think it isn't "repetitive"? Because singing it louder doesn't change the fact that he still says "betterman"
That's true. The one repetitive part is the very first line of the second verse, so about ten seconds of the song. But for me, the drums kicking in at the end of his sentence marks it as something different.
And its not just EV singing the chorus louder. The background music is completely different. The feel and rhythm is completely different. Its a new twist on the same idea.
THE BACKGROUND MUSIC IS NO DIFFERENT HOLY FUCKING SHIT I ALKSDJFAKL;SDJF;ANC;D;SDF
Are you a robot? The background music is no different???
You can't tell the difference between a delicate EV singing with only an organ and a light guitar, and a rocking, bouncing, electric guitar with drums?
Tue November 28, 2017 9:53 pm
Tue November 28, 2017 9:53 pm