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mjd, have you read the last few pages? The Atlanta performance is actually what they use for the album, for the most part. IT IS THE BETTERMAN ON THE ALBUM
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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
mjd, have you read the last few pages? The Atlanta performance is actually what they use for the album, for the most part. IT IS THE BETTERMAN ON THE ALBUM
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mikejasond wrote:
Again, delicate beautiful first chorus. Eddie sounds so good when the arrangement is stripped down like this
Now you expect to hear verse 2. A repeat of verse 1. But wait, whats this? It starts out like another verse, the same as the last one...but then this drum fill comes in and boom we're taking off, a completely new feel and sound. The music is completely different. Eddie's singing the same melody but it sounds so different in feel now.
Pearl Jam, inventors of the quiet-intro-into-full-band formula
Again, delicate beautiful first chorus. Eddie sounds so good when the arrangement is stripped down like this
Now you expect to hear verse 2. A repeat of verse 1. But wait, whats this? It starts out like another verse, the same as the last one...but then this drum fill comes in and boom we're taking off, a completely new feel and sound. The music is completely different. Eddie's singing the same melody but it sounds so different in feel now.
Pearl Jam, inventors of the quiet-intro-into-full-band formula
I have a friend who is a huge Bruce Springsteen fan, and has credited him with inventing the backbeat. He also once said Bruce was the first writer to try and craft longer, more literate rock and roll songs, so I moved away.
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ledvedderman wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
mikejasond wrote:
Again, delicate beautiful first chorus. Eddie sounds so good when the arrangement is stripped down like this
Now you expect to hear verse 2. A repeat of verse 1. But wait, whats this? It starts out like another verse, the same as the last one...but then this drum fill comes in and boom we're taking off, a completely new feel and sound. The music is completely different. Eddie's singing the same melody but it sounds so different in feel now.
Pearl Jam, inventors of the quiet-intro-into-full-band formula
mjd, have you read the last few pages? The Atlanta performance is actually what they use for the album, for the most part. IT IS THE BETTERMAN ON THE ALBUM
Im talking about Save it for Later.
Its a kind of nice song. If it reminds me of Betterman maybe it reminds me of the 20 seconds of the second chorus of betterman.
Again, delicate beautiful first chorus. Eddie sounds so good when the arrangement is stripped down like this
Now you expect to hear verse 2. A repeat of verse 1. But wait, whats this? It starts out like another verse, the same as the last one...but then this drum fill comes in and boom we're taking off, a completely new feel and sound. The music is completely different. Eddie's singing the same melody but it sounds so different in feel now.
Pearl Jam, inventors of the quiet-intro-into-full-band formula
That cracked me up.
Not inventors, but they certainly are masters of it. ESPECIALLY in Daughter. Its done EXCEPTIONALLY well in Daughter. Can't think of many songs that do it like Daughter. Its not just a quiet intro, they usually start the verses (or in Betterman's cases the chorus) before adding the full band, and the way the full band comes in is not where you would expect it to. Its pulled off PHENOMENALLY in Daughter.
Cant think of many songs that bring in the full band midway through the first verse without breaking the feel at all
Well for every Betterman or Daughter where that method appears to work, there’s a Gone, Unthought Known, or Lightning Bolt that tries to do the same...but sucks.
Its badly worded I suppose. The transition is completely seamless and smooth even though the feel is different. Its a different feel but it doesn't feel abrupt it just feels natural.
I dunno how to word the awesomness of that Daughter transition
Its badly worded I suppose. The transition is completely seamless and smooth even though the feel is different. Its a different feel but it doesn't feel abrupt it just feels natural.
I dunno how to word the awesomness of that Daughter transition
Do you really not understand what Im trying to get at? Maybe somebody can word it better.
The Daughter transition is insanely seamless, the verse flows perfectly, the rhythm just rides along, yet the instrumentation and finer points of the tone change drastically
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mikejasond wrote:
Do you really not understand what Im trying to get at? Maybe somebody can word it better.
The Daughter transition is insanely seamless, the verse flows perfectly, the rhythm just rides along, yet the instrumentation and finer points of the tone change drastically
Everyone understands what you are describing, mjd. That isn’t the issue. What we all find funny is that you act like PJ is the only band that has ever done the slow build up of a song from single instrument to full band. The sheer amazement and joy you find in this simple and popular formula is what we all giggle about. Sure, Better Man and Daughter do this well, and I love both of those songs, but to act like these are groundbreaking compositions based on the quiet —> loud or single instrument —> full band arrangement is absurd.
Exactly. The progression in the verse and chorus are exactly the same. The vocal melody changes slightly in the chorus. The only thing in that whole song that changes is the breakdown.
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