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Something I'd like to add, that churns me up a bit...

In recent years, probably since Carry On, I'd kind of felt that Chris had gone a bit 'soft'. As much as I still loved much of his material, I felt that a consequence of his finding domestic happiness was that he'd lost the fire. He'd swapped out songs about staring into the abyss for love letters to his wife and kids. The same can be said for modern Eddie Vedder, of course. And many other artists that mellow with age, settle into family life, etc.

And we as an audience have a tendency to resent that. We resent that they've found domestic bliss in a way as it denies us the ability as listeners to receive this raw art, written and composed by someone who is genuinely teetering right on the edge, not faking it. And the irony is that we all want happiness - of course we do. But at the same time, we still like to pull the curtain back from time to time - to listen to songs that take us to those dark places. Emotional tourism, I guess.

So, I suppose my point is that Chris' death has really hit home how frigging selfish we are (I am) for having that resentment of artists who no longer have the ability or inclination to write about the darkness. Chris found himself back in that place, and look what happens. Shit.


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https://vnnmusick.wordpress.com/2017/05 ... s-cornell/

I wrote something with actual thought put into it here on my music blog thing. I've decided one article wasn't enough though, so I'll actually talk about Soundgarden's music in a second installment.


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I wrote about Chris Cornell on Monday for a final paper on Casino Royale. I feel bad for not mentioning him by name here...

The “toll” of death is what kicks off the film’s opening credits and theme song, and here again we hear another major franchise departure. Past songs in the series have usually had one of two primary focuses: they are centered around the film’s villain (the most notable example in this category would have to be Goldfinger), or they’ve been a love song (in which case the most notable example would be Carly Simon’s Nobody Does It Better from The Spy Who Loves Me). In the cases of both of the previous examples, there is the suggestion of some level of control when it comes to the role James Bond plays. As beloved as Goldfinger is by fans of the series—and justifiably so—its central purpose from a narrative standpoint is to inform the audience that Goldfinger is bad, yet there isn’t really a hint that Bond will become entrapped within his web on a personal level, and if the song serves as a warning to anyone, it’s to his female victims, not to Bond himself, while the use of saxophones and Shirley Basset’s vocals still provide the sex factor that one associates with the character by default. Bond’s confidence, meanwhile, is indisputably in check with Nobody Does It Better, in which Simon sings of how “nobody does it better”—regardless of what “it” is—than him, yet this song’s emphasis on a keyboard over a saxophone suggests it’s more of a true love song instead of being primarily focused on sex. Yet Bond is given no control through Casino Royale’s theme song You Know My Name, which is first and foremost a warning, and a warning directly aimed at Bond, yet the source of where the threat is coming from is potentially up for debate. “If you take a life, do you know what you’ll give? Odds are you won’t like what it is.” The electric guitar that dominates the instrumentals provides a sense of intimidation, while still on some level giving the song a bit of coolness (again, still managing to give the audience what they want, but not necessarily what they expect). But at the same time, Bond’s masculinity, his dominance, his control, and everyone else one associates with him is put into question musically. The life of a spy, an assassin—the life of James Bond—might be more than James Bond can handle.

I listened to that song over and over again on Monday. I had no idea I'd be writing about a ghost. RIP.

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I haven't seen it but I was informed that the APos reporting that the family is refuting the claims of suicide untill the toxicology report. I guess his wife said he called her stating he took an extra Ativan and was slurring his words.

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igotworms wrote:
Something I'd like to add, that churns me up a bit...

In recent years, probably since Carry On, I'd kind of felt that Chris had gone a bit 'soft'. As much as I still loved much of his material, I felt that a consequence of his finding domestic happiness was that he'd lost the fire. He'd swapped out songs about staring into the abyss for love letters to his wife and kids. The same can be said for modern Eddie Vedder, of course. And many other artists that mellow with age, settle into family life, etc.

And we as an audience have a tendency to resent that. We resent that they've found domestic bliss in a way as it denies us the ability as listeners to receive this raw art, written and composed by someone who is genuinely teetering right on the edge, not faking it. And the irony is that we all want happiness - of course we do. But at the same time, we still like to pull the curtain back from time to time - to listen to songs that take us to those dark places. Emotional tourism, I guess.

So, I suppose my point is that Chris' death has really hit home how frigging selfish we are (I am) for having that resentment of artists who no longer have the ability or inclination to write about the darkness. Chris found himself back in that place, and look what happens. Shit.


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Interesting stories and memories from Pete Thorn:


This is really great, thanks for posting.


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Interesting stories and memories from Pete Thorn


Great vid. Really helped.

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 Post subject: Re: RIP Chris Cornell 1964 - 2017
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I'm still processing this. We've lost so many incredible artists but I'm finding out it's different when it's someone you listened to as you grew up and as they also grew up and matured and changed and progressed as a artist. Prince and Bowie were special but they were my parents idols and artists. Cornell was invincible to me. With that voice that sounded almost too volatile for a human being to possess.

I still remember the first time I listened to 'Jesus Christ Pose' at my best friends house and the two of us just sat in awe of its visceral energy. That drum assault from Matt Cameron and the vocals in a octave I didn't think was possible. We were hooked on Sound Garden right away. There was no bullshit in this music.

I'm meeting a bunch of friends tomorrow for a house party. We're going to day drink and play Chris Cornell songs on repeat. I'll be pouring one out.


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igotworms wrote:
Something I'd like to add, that churns me up a bit...

In recent years, probably since Carry On, I'd kind of felt that Chris had gone a bit 'soft'. As much as I still loved much of his material, I felt that a consequence of his finding domestic happiness was that he'd lost the fire. He'd swapped out songs about staring into the abyss for love letters to his wife and kids. The same can be said for modern Eddie Vedder, of course. And many other artists that mellow with age, settle into family life, etc.

And we as an audience have a tendency to resent that. We resent that they've found domestic bliss in a way as it denies us the ability as listeners to receive this raw art, written and composed by someone who is genuinely teetering right on the edge, not faking it. And the irony is that we all want happiness - of course we do. But at the same time, we still like to pull the curtain back from time to time - to listen to songs that take us to those dark places. Emotional tourism, I guess.

So, I suppose my point is that Chris' death has really hit home how frigging selfish we are (I am) for having that resentment of artists who no longer have the ability or inclination to write about the darkness. Chris found himself back in that place, and look what happens. Shit.


Well said.

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I haven't seen it but I was informed that the APos reporting that the family is refuting the claims of suicide untill the toxicology report. I guess his wife said he called her stating he took an extra Ativan and was slurring his words.


heard that in a quick mention on the news this morning. the reporter said vicky had stated that when speaking to chris after the show, he said something about "taking an extra pill or two".

i wouldn't be surprised if chemicals (maybe mixed with some drink?) played a part here. suicidal ideation is a side effect of a lot of these drugs, though more typically for younger people.

who knows? still too early to say what happened exactly


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I'm definitely in the 'still trying to make sense of this' phase. So, the Ativan thing may very well be a possibility, or I'm just trying to cling to something that makes sense to me, who knows? I've always figured this sort of route to death is not for a musician who is in his 50s, has gone through his "soft" phase, his "dad rock" phase. Yeah he is a former addict and a depressive and tortured soul and all that but he was relatively speaking well-adjusted at this point. So, intentional and sober suicide just doesn't register with me.

Staley and Weiland's deaths were sort of like "yep, it finally happened" moments for me. Cobain's was shocking, but once you really knew the details (and read Heavier than Heaven) I really came away with thinking "How did he even stay alive by then?" - he was really that much of a suicidal basket case.

This one is totally different. I'm gonna let his wife's comments seep in. I'm sure they're trying to figure all of this out, but it's obviously very close to the source info, so I have to take it seriously.


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i know that details are ultimately none of our business, but human nature being what it is, i would love to know what the guys in the band/crew observed with chris after the show. or in recent days.. i'm sure we'll hear some of that eventually


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Im still thinking about Jeff, Stone, Matt, Kim, Ben, Mike and Ed. They must be devastated.

When Chris sang with Mad Season it was to pay tribute to a lost friend, but there was also a sense of triumph there...a sense of gratification because they were all still alive, they made it, and they could do that. The same with the Temple tour...they were celebrating life.

Its all changed now and the happy ending we got its gone. Soundgarden is gone, Pearl Jam might be gone too. Its the darkest of endings.

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Still nothing on the official PJ homepage.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... nt-w483179

And there's some stuff from Mike/Matt here:

http://www.seattletimes.com/entertainme ... sic-scene/


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I haven't seen it but I was informed that the APos reporting that the family is refuting the claims of suicide untill the toxicology report. I guess his wife said he called her stating he took an extra Ativan and was slurring his words.


Just read that too.
Fucking prescription drugs. Goddammit.


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I haven't had a chance to weigh in on any of this. Not much I can add that hasn't been said, but I'll try anyway:

An astonishingly talented creative force has been lost. His voice was godlike, and his sense of songwriting was unique and idiosyncratic. Do you know what gives the Soundgarden guitars their unique sonic identity? It's a combination of alternate tunings and "parallel movement," the act of taking chords from opposing keys to create the herky-jerky guitar interplay that is emblematic of Soundgarden (For example, writing a song in A-minor, but instead of following an A-minor with the standard C-major variation, they would use a C-minor. Soundgarden does this ALL THE TIME, and it's something that made Chris's songs so unique, beyond the sheer power of his voice).

I'm an enormous fan of Soundgarden's records, but never quite latched on to their personalities like I did with Pearl Jam. So my sense of Chris Cornell was fairly shallow: A talented and tortured artist who had found his healthy creative outlet; who struggled with his demons; who had a good heart with maybe some bad blood pumping through...

I've not had enough experience with chronic depression to weigh in on that topic. I do believe that society is too quick to medicate people, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the toxicology report shows some misuse of strong medicine in Cornell's system.

This is tangential to the real matter at hand, but I really do feel that this next PJ record will more or less tell us what sort of band they want to be. With their friend Chris gone, Trump in the White House, and no real big rock band singing passionately about love, life, and politics, will PJ rise to the occasion? Or continue to take the path of least resistance (and mourn Chris's loss in their own private way)? As humans, they should do whatever they feel will help them feel healthy, happy, and positive. But if the creative outlet of PJ opts to give us another LB, I'd say I'm about done with their new releases and shows. I'm feeling a lot of intense stuff about the world, and I used to be able to look to PJ to help me articulate those feelings. Hoping they can help me through my current feelings, and I'll feel sort of abandoned if they don't; but of course they don't owe me shit.

There are a ton of great Cornell songs that will take on a new gravity given Chris's passing. Bones of Birds has really been speaking to me the last 24 hours:

Time is my friend 'til it ain't and runs out
And that is all that I have 'til it's gone
Try to build a home, bones of birds
Singing in the cold and fall to earth

Hey, sometimes she won't cry
When the smallest one is drowned
Too weak to survive probably maybe

Try to look out through a hole in a bag
Circle above looking down, bird of prey
Try to build a home, bones of birds
Singing in the cold and fall to earth

Hey, sometimes she won't cry
When the smallest one is drowned
Too weak to survive
Too weak to survive
Too weak to survive probably maybe

Try to build a home, bones of birds
Singing in the cold and fall to earth

Hey, sometimes she won't cry
When the smallest one is drowned
Too weak to survive probably

Hey, sometimes she won't cry
When the smallest one is drowned
Too weak to survive
Too weak to survive
Too weak to survive




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dprival78 wrote:
heard that in a quick mention on the news this morning. the reporter said vicky had stated that when speaking to chris after the show, he said something about "taking an extra pill or two".

i wouldn't be surprised if chemicals (maybe mixed with some drink?) played a part here. suicidal ideation is a side effect of a lot of these drugs, though more typically for younger people.

who knows? still too early to say what happened exactly

Definitely a possibility at this point.

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I'm definitely in the 'still trying to make sense of this' phase. So, the Ativan thing may very well be a possibility, or I'm just trying to cling to something that makes sense to me, who knows? I've always figured this sort of route to death is not for a musician who is in his 50s, has gone through his "soft" phase, his "dad rock" phase. Yeah he is a former addict and a depressive and tortured soul and all that but he was relatively speaking well-adjusted at this point. So, intentional and sober suicide just doesn't register with me.

Staley and Weiland's deaths were sort of like "yep, it finally happened" moments for me. Cobain's was shocking, but once you really knew the details (and read Heavier than Heaven) I really came away with thinking "How did he even stay alive by then?" - he was really that much of a suicidal basket case.

This one is totally different. I'm gonna let his wife's comments seep in. I'm sure they're trying to figure all of this out, but it's obviously very close to the source info, so I have to take it seriously.

I'm in agreement with your whole post. It just doesn't register with me either.

Now we all wait on the toxicology report.

I really thought Chris looked slightly "off" in a few of the Detroit concert videos, and that little stumble I pointed out in another post. My initial reaction: he was either extremely tired or under the influence of something. Yet, it did appear he had a pretty standard performance, so I thought maybe I was looking too hard for clues or answers concerning his death.

So much internet buzz from fans and the media about Chris being depressed (I am not and will not minimize the impact of people suffering from depression), but I'm still not totally convinced that was the main factor in his death. Chris has been sober and I believe happy for many years. I don't necessarily buy into the idea he's been manufacturing a peaceful exterior or internalizing some unresolved torment. It's so hard to say anything with much confidence right now, and we've all been drawing our own conclusions before having much clarity in regards to the events leading up to his death. I'm just so utterly confused what to think myself. The medical examiner did rule it a suicide, so that much carry some weight. Did he really mean to kill himself? How fucked up was he? No suicide note?

One of the most interesting aspects is the timeline. I'm hearing the show didn't end until around 11:15 pm. It would've taken Chris at least 15 minutes from the end of the show to get to his hotel room in my estimation. That doesn't leave very much time from when he arrives, to when they're breaking down his door to discover him unresponsive on the bathroom floor.

I'm sure as the days go by, more of the story will be revealed and maybe we'll have a better understanding of that night. Or maybe there will always be a foggy uncertainty that hangs over his death. Still so many questions, but unfortunately the outcome will always be the same.

I do know I'll miss him so dearly, and what was yet to come. I don't really idolize people I never knew in my real life, but Chris was different. His music connected with me in a very special, primal, and human way. I literally wept when this man passed. Not since my dad's death have I done such a thing. I think we all know Chris was a really great person as well.

I feel really bad for his family and his bandmates. Those young kids have lost their dad.

I posted this in another thread:

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I was in KC for a soccer tournament this past weekend. Was getting some stuff out of the car and I hear what I think is a live version of a Soundgarden song. It was loud, distant, and echoed through the soccer park. So I'm thinking, "What the hell, that's odd, someone playing such a Soundgarden song". But it only lasted for a brief moment. Then I thought, "Wait a minute, I'm gotta check their tour schedule". Sure enough, they were playing the Starlight Theatre later that evening just a short distance from my location, and what I heard was obviously a quick soundcheck. I was like "Wow what a coincidence, one of my all-time fav bands playing less than a mile away".

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go Sunday night and haven't been following their spring tour with the exception of knowing they were playing Rocklahoma this year. I'm a huge fan, but money and family obligations keep me from attending concerts anymore.

I really don't know if I'm inclined to believe such things, but over the years I've had a lot of moments and events that seem too coincidental or too surreal to be completely random. I mean some really weird shit. Maybe it's nothing, but I feel like, in some cosmic way, I was allowed to hear Chris one last time. I really wish I could've made that concert.


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soundwarden wrote:

One of the most interesting aspects is the timeline. I'm hearing the show didn't end until around 11:15 pm. It would've taken Chris at least 15 minutes from the end of the show to get to his hotel room in my estimation. That doesn't leave very much time from when he arrives, to when they're breaking down his door to discover him unresponsive on the bathroom floor.

I'm sure as the days go by, more of the story will be revealed and maybe we'll have a better understanding of that night. Or maybe there will always be a foggy uncertainty that hangs over his death. Still so many questions, but unfortunately the outcome will always be the same.


Without speculating too much, there has to be more to the story of why they broke down the hotel room door. If the concern was he took two more sleeping pills than he was supposed to, its reasonable to assume he is passed out and is not answering the door and/or phone. Door gets broken down at 10am when he doesn't show up to the tour bus the next morning, not at midnight. Something had to have triggered major concern, and I doubt it was slurred speech.


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